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This is George Early from the NICAP Connecticut affiliate.

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The recordings that you are about to hear were made on Saturday, October 28, 1967 by

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Mr. Joe Barberette of WDRC News here in Hartford with Mr. Stanley Orr of Newfield, New York,

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concerning the sightings in that area.

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Dr. Levine called back to Joe Barberette after I had talked with Dr. Saunders.

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I do not know what follow-up has been made subsequent to the University of Colorado getting

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these recordings from Joe.

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Presumably they got in touch with the Syracuse subcommittee head, James Harris.

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I was unable to reach him so that when I talked to Dave Saunders, I gave him Harris' phone

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number and his address there in Syracuse, hoping that they would be able to get together

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and so on.

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Harris could start the interrogation of Orr prior to the arrival of the University of

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Colorado team if they did decide to send some people out in the field.

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Stanley, this is Joe Barberette at WDRC Radio on Hartford, Connecticut.

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WDRC Radio on Hartford, Connecticut, sir?

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Yes.

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I was just talking to George Early from NICAP and he apparently was talking to you earlier

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today.

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Yes, I called him by an hour.

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Well, George and I work very closely on UFO reports and we're extremely interested in

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them here at the radio station.

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And I was wondering if you would like to talk to me about these sightings that you have

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reported up there.

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I have no objections, sir.

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I know what you want to know, but what I've seen as far as I'm concerned is the most inexplicable

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frightening series of events in the last four nights that I've ever gone through.

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We've got a 10 and a 12-year-old boy here in Newfield, New York who have seen something

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which I think that very few people have been, as far as I'm concerned, privileged to witness.

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They looked inside of a spacecraft two nights ago and saw the occupants.

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They had a very clear view of it and it didn't occur to a Milwaukee-Tockey radio.

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And I just, we had one fly over us and four of us in the backyard and flashing red, white

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and green lights and a brilliant white beam shot right off the middle of it.

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And I could tell you the whole chronological resume of what's happened.

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It might take me three or four minutes.

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I don't know if you've got that much time or not.

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Go ahead. Why don't you run right through it?

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Well, it all began Monday night, quarter to eight when I was sales representative and

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I was coming from Dryden, New York, which is 12 miles from Ithaca.

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And I got adjacent to the Tomcus County airport and I noticed two red lights which seemed

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to be hanging in the sky about 200 feet off the highway.

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And at the time, at that moment, that fleeting moment, I thought it was a tower they'd put

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lights on to keep the planes away.

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And I drove by it and I had my stereo on in my car.

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And I looked over my left shoulder and I noticed that the lights began to move and they passed me.

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And this time there was a third light on top, a full of red flasher.

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And these lights were awfully bright.

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And I turned the door and turned my stereo down and I couldn't hear any noise.

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And it struck me, you know, it didn't applaud me at the time because I, you know,

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I was near an airport and I just associated it with them.

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I thought it was a Mohawk plane taken off.

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And then I watched it disappear in the distance and I kind of dismissed it, you know.

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And later it began to bug me.

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The next day I called the airport and asked them if they had a plane with only red light on.

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And they said, no, they didn't.

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Every plane they had was got a white beacon and a green light on one of the wings.

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You know, one wing is red and one wing is green and they have another red light on.

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And of course, there was nothing taken off at that particular time.

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I asked them that.

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And then I called again and spoke with a mechanic up there and described what I'd seen.

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And he said it sounded like nothing they had.

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Then I thought, well, gee, I saw something big deal.

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So two days later, which was Wednesday, I was up in Newfield at my girls house.

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We were talking and she said, did you hear about the boy in Newfield who saw Flying Saucer?

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I said, no, I didn't.

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And I went down and I said, I think I'll get on and talk to him.

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I went down and I spoke with him.

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I spoke with several boys and they told me this unbelievable story.

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At the time it was unbelievable, but I believe it now.

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They were out in back and they noticed red lights hanging in the sky with flashers coming around the rim.

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They described it as a rim hovering in back of their house.

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This was Wednesday night about 10 o'clock and they were playing with walkie talkie radios.

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The thing went around the house at an altitude of about 200 feet, making absolutely no noise.

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They crossed the street over a cavern called the White House Inn in Newfield and hovered over a house next to it.

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Tilled it down at about a 45 degree angle and this boy stood right on the porch.

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Two boys stood right on the porch, looked up into it, said there were two square windows divided by a metal bar.

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They looked inside of this thing.

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Two of the weirdest looking beings, this boy describes it, you wouldn't believe the description, were looking at him.

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He saw behind them and saw a control panel slanted against the far wall with what he described were red, white and green lights flashing sequence across it.

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And all the way around the rim of this thing, there were red, white and green lights flashing.

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On the bottom there were red, white and green lights which were stationary like a landing gear.

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He didn't use the word term landing gear, he just said it was something on the bottom of it.

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This boy drew an astounding sketch of this thing.

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The drop was an antenna sticking out.

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Here's the remarkable part of the story. All the wing is remarkable but here's another highlight you might call it.

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They had the walkie-talkies.

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He turned it on and he pointed it at the spacecraft.

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You know, it's a wonderful wing, a young boy's mind. They didn't register a steer, they were just intensely curious.

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They hid it around the house.

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He pointed the walkie-talkie up and as he pressed the on button, this thing began to oscillate.

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And then the walkie-talkie just screamed.

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And he left an eye on this thing oscillated and all of a sudden it took off and left.

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This night it came back but it didn't come close enough for an occupant sighting.

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It just circled the house.

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Anyway, he told me this Wednesday and Wednesday night I had brought a friend of mine up who had never believed in him.

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We sat out here and back and we watched the most fantastic spectacle I have ever seen in my life.

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We saw some come in low with red, white and green flashes.

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We saw some that just missed the treetops that were red, bright red.

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Over the top of us going due north, every one of these things had a pattern where these monstrous glowing globes,

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which was just a steady course.

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They really knew where they were going.

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We looked up to the right, way up high was this great big globe and dropping off from it was a white flasher.

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It was like a plane.

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I was aboard an aircraft carrier and it looked like a plane taking off the deck of a carrier and it came and then it disappeared.

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Then a jet fighter came through.

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And it was like, God, what can I tell you?

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One hung over the trees a glowing globe and then I woke this boy up.

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A dog was barking and he went to the window and told me that he was always dreaming.

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I've got two photographs of the most unbelievable footprints you've ever seen.

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It's half as big as mine. I take a size of 10 and a half.

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This is half as big as mine and it's got splayed toes way out and a little narrow high instep and a little teeny heel on it.

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And it was walking along with a horse's track off the main highway up here.

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And this went on last night too.

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What was I going to tell you?

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Oh, we were out in the backyard Wednesday night and over comes this thing with all the flashes on it.

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It's just showing up.

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We got right over the top of us and it's bright beacon.

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Brightest light I've ever seen on any craft.

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Beamed right out of it for about three seconds and then just, which one?

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I'm sorry. That was Thursday night. I'm very sorry. That was Thursday night.

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And yesterday afternoon, my girlfriend and I stood out in the yard here and we saw, and I know you won't believe this,

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I saw with my own eyes a craft that I would estimate to be a half a mile long.

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It looked like two aircraft carriers in broad daylight and it was right silhouette against blue sky and it just disappeared into some clouds.

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And simultaneously, further overhead, there was a jet and this jet was leaving a long contrail.

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And this thing was a solid silver object. It looked absolutely enormous.

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I just can't believe anything that big could be in the air.

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And this, again, I say this, has gone on for four, oh, this, oh, you won't, this is remarkable.

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Last night, mind you, my girlfriend's sister and her husband had been up here and they witnessed all this aerial phenomenon.

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Her husband came up for the explicit purpose of ridiculing us.

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And this guy was so frightened when he left here at 11 o'clock that he was almost afraid to walk outside to his car.

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They got in the car and drove to Ithaca.

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15 minutes later, the phone rang.

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His wife was in hysterics. He could hardly speak. They had encountered a monstrous object hanging over some houses in Ithaca with stationary lights.

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And as soon as they pulled off the highway to look at it, the lights went out.

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And we drove down there later and every garbage can in the area was tipped over.

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Only where that thing was hovering, just like some massive disturbance had knocked them all over the place.

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And there were no other garbage cans on the street like if there had been a wind, you know, it wouldn't have had that effect.

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Has there been any other reaction from anybody else in Ithaca that you know of?

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Sir, I called the New York State Police. What night, John? When did that trooper come up here?

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Thursday night. He got here about 9.15 and he got out of his car and he looked at us like, you know, with this incredulous look like we're all insane.

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I said, I know what you were going to say.

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I said, but just stand here. We'll be in place for a few minutes.

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He came out. He came on back of the house, stood there for approximately five minutes and went one over.

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A big glowing one. We'll kind of go north, you know.

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I said, what do you think that is?

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He didn't say anything. His mouth just dropped.

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And then at the same time, my girlfriend's sister was screaming at me around the house.

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We all ran around the house, including the trooper, and coming in low over 13 was this brilliant bright red glowing object with unbelievably red lights on it.

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And it just missed the tops of the hills and disappeared.

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At the same time, to our left, comes this white flasher with this tremendous flashing sequence of red, green and white all over it.

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And that caught me. He couldn't say a thing.

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I said, you know, I think they're land on Connecticut Hill.

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Connecticut Hill is a desolate area where they hunt deer. It's about a hundred square miles and nothing.

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And he told me and I quote, he says, I'm not going up there.

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He got in his car and he drove away.

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Later, I called up the true, somebody called, I can't remember if it was me or somebody, but the official explanation he gave them, he had seen jet planes on the newtors.

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I called Hancock Air Force Base, Circus New York.

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I said, I think, I told him everything that I've told you.

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And you know what that guy told me? He says, we'll file it through official channels.

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And I said, well, thanks a hell of a lot.

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And I hung up.

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And that was about two o'clock in the morning.

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And the jet plane did come through here that night.

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It came in real low and I know a jet fighter.

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It was a jet fighter and it swooped right through and it circled and then it disappeared.

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And at the same time that jet fighter was coming through, there was another UFO higher going the opposite direction.

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And last night, I didn't see this personally, but the boys who looked into the one Tuesday night said that they had witnessed a jet plane.

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Just a jet being followed by a UFO close behind.

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I think I've covered everything that's of any significance, sir.

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There's one question I have and it's not that I have any doubt at all about what you told me.

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But there's one thing that bothers me.

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Mr. Orr, and that is this.

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How come you didn't take any pictures of any of these things?

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I'm no photographer. I tried.

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We looked at you, saw them through binoculars last night.

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But look at you, look up at the sky.

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I can't, you can't. It's just a little teeny camera.

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I tried to get somebody with a Geiger car or anybody with cameras or anything and nobody's interested.

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They all stop at your drudiculia.

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You can't see anything through that viewfinder.

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It's nothing. You look up in the sky and you see nothing but black. It's just a little teeny camera.

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And then as much as all these sightings took place over a number of days about maybe you might have a camera or somebody with a camera there.

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This is of course what we need, you know, is to get somebody working, is to get some pictures and let them try to dispute that.

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We've got photographs of a footprint. The footprint is gone now. It's been obliterated.

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You do have the, have you had the prints? Have you had the?

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There's four photographs in color, so there's four pictures to be taken yet.

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But one thing is, everything is of significance of course, but these things have a definite pattern.

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The glowing ones go north. The little red ones, misty trees, flashers go everywhere.

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Just like they know exactly what they're doing.

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Newfield is right near Ithaca, right?

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Yes sir. It's southern miles south of the country. It's 13.

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And you say Connecticut Hill, is that what it's called?

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Connecticut Hill is a desolate area which it extends from, from Newfield right on back around.

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Is there any water around there?

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Yes sir. There's Kuga Lake. There's Kuga Lake. A woman down in Kuta has seen one of these things.

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I tried to talk to her on the phone. She wouldn't even talk to me.

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She said, she, I got to me through my girlfriend's mother. She works for her.

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She said she saw a bright glowing object so did her son and they wouldn't talk about it.

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But nobody seems interested down here and I'm appalled, especially it's not what I've seen.

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You know, I've seen things, okay, a lot of people have seen them.

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But what this little Donnie Chazard and Pat Crowes your saw, 12 years old.

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As far as I'm concerned, I would think that anybody with any, with any semblance of intelligence,

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of scientific nature would want to talk to them.

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Has there been any press reports at all about this?

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I don't know what's the sense of it. I'm the, you know, I...

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Have you talked to anybody in the newspapers?

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No sir.

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Nope.

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Am I the first reporter you talked to?

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First reporter? You're the first reporter?

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Yes.

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The first reporter I talked to, I talked to Dr. Condon from, not Dr. Condon,

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Dr. Levine from Dr. Condon's staff in Colorado called.

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Oh yeah, from the Colorado Project.

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Dr. Mr. A. Aaron's called me. I spoke with him.

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You know, they're out in Colorado and we're here.

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I spent 50 bucks in phone calls on this thing.

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It's just up to me. The situation like this can exist.

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And it's, the implications are rather stumbling.

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And everybody is just sitting on their duff and takes this apathetic attitude, you know.

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Including the police, including the Air Force.

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The Sheriff's laugh at me.

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I called them too.

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Ho, ho, ho, he said over the phone.

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But it's not funny as far as I'm concerned. I haven't slept in too much.

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That's why I'm so disappointed that you weren't able to get some photographs of this.

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Because it sounds to me like you really have something here.

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And with photography, you can jam those last way down their throats, you see.

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Well, who do they look like? Just a piece of light in the sky.

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If you had something, if you got a picture of this thing that looked like two battleships.

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That would have been a beauty guy.

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That's what I mean.

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It was unbelievable. And I could have photographed that too.

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It was in broad daylight.

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I screamed this thing. I said, Sandy, come here quick.

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That's why I thought you might be carrying a camera around with you at all times.

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The camera was right inside the house.

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If I'd only had the camera, I could have snapped it.

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It was visible for a half a minute.

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This is what you need. And if you had that with a jet overhead.

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My God, you know, this would be tremendous.

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That would have showed up something, certainly.

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Because it was a definite solid object there.

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My first bleeding impression was when I saw it that it was a jet leaving a contrail.

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I looked and looked and it was an absolute silver solid object.

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And then I heard this roe overhead and up goes this great big jet overhead leaving a contrail a mile along.

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Things just kept going to my right. Steady.

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And then it went into this all cloudy to my right.

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And I was personally clouds quite frankly.

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Well, if you had a photograph of that.

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I had a photograph.

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Yeah.

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That thing was so, your name was what sir?

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Joe Barberette.

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Mr. Barberette.

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That thing was so big. I can't even believe anything that big could fly.

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It looked like it was a half a mile along.

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I know you don't believe that.

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Let me say this.

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That I have no reason to dispute or doubt you at all.

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Absolutely none.

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And I, my mind is open enough to accept any of this and all of it.

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With you or somebody, you know, with some influence or something.

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As I called Mr. Fuller this morning and spoke to his wife.

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Somebody could come here and talk to these two boys.

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They've really got something to offer.

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What they saw was, you want to hear the description.

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It's incredible what they saw.

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Close, 200 feet away looking right at them.

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They saw the control panel, the flashing lights, the buttons, the windows.

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Everything was hung right there in the air.

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Just right across the street from them.

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It's incredible. Absolutely incredible.

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The people in it. The people in it.

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You want to hear the description of the people in it.

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He can't take this boy.

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He almost cried when I last got him the first time he told me this story.

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I didn't blame it quite frankly.

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That's incredible. Absolutely.

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He said that thing just vibrated.

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All over the place when he turned that wonky talking in.

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All right. Well, look, do you have any objection at all?

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Am I using anything that you said this afternoon?

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No, sir. To me? No.

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And how about your name?

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My name is Orr. Do you have any objection about using your name?

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No, sir.

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Okay. You are from Ithaca?

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Yes, sir.

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And you're a salesman?

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Yes, sir.

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How well are you Mr. Orr?

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I'm sorry.

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All right. I don't know how much I can do on it,

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but we can make some noise down here anyway.

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And I'll see if I can't get the wire services involved in this.

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You may be getting some phone calls.

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I see.

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Okay.

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I'm not paying more. I'm all right. It's okay with me.

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George Early, who is extremely interesting and who is also quite a very influential in nightcap.

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And who is as knowledgeable as anybody on UFOs is extremely interested also.

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But of course, he's extremely busy too.

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Yes, sir.

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Is there an Icap organization in Ithaca?

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No, sir. I don't know if I didn't even check.

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All right.

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I don't believe there is, though.

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Yeah, you said a word nightcap in Ithaca and they look at you like you're, you know,

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you're spoken in foreign language.

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Well, I'm quite confident that somebody from Ithaca is going to be in touch with you soon.

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Somebody's going to investigate this. No question about it.

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I think it should definitely be investigated, sir.

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Well, let me thank you very, very much for talking to me.

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Yes, sir.

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And, and...

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Everything I've seen, other people have seen it with me.

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I mean, we're not all blind and I want you to know I've got corroborating witnesses.

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You don't have to take my word for it.